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		<title>By: Terry Parkhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Parkhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by my earlier statement regarding the fact that history and community means nothing to most people in Seattle. If the former wasn&#039;t true some things wouldn&#039;t change. People would want to keep those things, as they were, and have been, for decades. 

Instead, the proverbial wrecking ball has been swung so many times and so often, that now hardly anthing exists in Seattle to make it different from hundreds of other cities, across America. Now that&#039;s more than a little harsh. 

As for community, I don&#039;t mean the monthly meetings of Democrats that sprout like dandelions across Seattle, with the regularity of same. I mean places where people come together, of diverse political and philosophical opinion - truly diverse political and philosophical opinion - and talk about current events and politics; and mix it up with the intensity and fevor of people haggling over goods at a Moroccan street bazaar. 

That Winchell&#039;s in Wallingford was like that, for decades. Of course, it hadn&#039;t been like that for over 10 years. So maybe you&#039;re right, Doug. That change, at least, might be for the better. 

But I don&#039;t know that a panaderia, as you and Naomi call it, would be an improvement. Admittedly, that&#039;s based on my ignorance of the term &quot;panaderia.&quot; 

I myself spent most of my four years in the Navy, at an Navy air base in the Imperial Valley of California. I&#039;d welcome a basic, honest Mexican restaurant, without pretense and affectation, if that&#039;s what you&#039;re talking about (and I think it is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by my earlier statement regarding the fact that history and community means nothing to most people in Seattle. If the former wasn&#8217;t true some things wouldn&#8217;t change. People would want to keep those things, as they were, and have been, for decades. </p>
<p>Instead, the proverbial wrecking ball has been swung so many times and so often, that now hardly anthing exists in Seattle to make it different from hundreds of other cities, across America. Now that&#8217;s more than a little harsh. </p>
<p>As for community, I don&#8217;t mean the monthly meetings of Democrats that sprout like dandelions across Seattle, with the regularity of same. I mean places where people come together, of diverse political and philosophical opinion &#8211; truly diverse political and philosophical opinion &#8211; and talk about current events and politics; and mix it up with the intensity and fevor of people haggling over goods at a Moroccan street bazaar. </p>
<p>That Winchell&#8217;s in Wallingford was like that, for decades. Of course, it hadn&#8217;t been like that for over 10 years. So maybe you&#8217;re right, Doug. That change, at least, might be for the better. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know that a panaderia, as you and Naomi call it, would be an improvement. Admittedly, that&#8217;s based on my ignorance of the term &#8220;panaderia.&#8221; </p>
<p>I myself spent most of my four years in the Navy, at an Navy air base in the Imperial Valley of California. I&#8217;d welcome a basic, honest Mexican restaurant, without pretense and affectation, if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re talking about (and I think it is).</p>
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		<title>By: DOUG.</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOUG.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I appreciate the history lesson, Terry, I&#039;m thinking your first sentence there is a little harsh. I&#039;m with Naomi@24, a panaderia would be awesome at that spot. Yet I have a feeling a business like that may not have been welcomed in 1968, when areas north of the Ship Canal were &quot;redlined&quot;. Times change, often for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate the history lesson, Terry, I&#8217;m thinking your first sentence there is a little harsh. I&#8217;m with Naomi@24, a panaderia would be awesome at that spot. Yet I have a feeling a business like that may not have been welcomed in 1968, when areas north of the Ship Canal were &#8220;redlined&#8221;. Times change, often for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Parkhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.wallyhood.org/2009/10/rancho-bravo-plot-thickens/comment-page-1/#comment-6146</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Parkhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History and community mean nothing to the people posting here. That doughnut shop had been the hub of morning neighborhood discussions - about politics and sports - for years. It opened as a pastry and coffee shop, back in 1968. 

Many people became long-standing friends there. But in the late Nineties, the decline of the place began when a series of owners took it over who didn&#039;t care about the long-time regulars. Smoking was banned in 1998 and that cost them the business of many regulars. Ironically, since that time, many of the regulars passed away from cancer.

The most recent franchise owner was absolutely uncaring about the regulars. He didn&#039;t offer a public bathroom. The lighting was terrible and he offered free Wi-Fi; which did nothing to encourage conversation. 

The church, down the street from Dick&#039;s, opened a coffee shop about two years ago. That&#039;s where the neighborhood regulars went.

If the former doughnut shop owner wants to blame someone for the shops&#039; demise, he shouldn&#039;t blame Freddy. He should simply own up to the fact that he blew it.

Noe Gracia, the manager of the doughnut shop knows Freddie well. I hope Freddie will work to keep Noe employed at the doughnut shop. 

They should make it unique to Wallingford. Screw Voodoo Doughnuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History and community mean nothing to the people posting here. That doughnut shop had been the hub of morning neighborhood discussions &#8211; about politics and sports &#8211; for years. It opened as a pastry and coffee shop, back in 1968. </p>
<p>Many people became long-standing friends there. But in the late Nineties, the decline of the place began when a series of owners took it over who didn&#8217;t care about the long-time regulars. Smoking was banned in 1998 and that cost them the business of many regulars. Ironically, since that time, many of the regulars passed away from cancer.</p>
<p>The most recent franchise owner was absolutely uncaring about the regulars. He didn&#8217;t offer a public bathroom. The lighting was terrible and he offered free Wi-Fi; which did nothing to encourage conversation. </p>
<p>The church, down the street from Dick&#8217;s, opened a coffee shop about two years ago. That&#8217;s where the neighborhood regulars went.</p>
<p>If the former doughnut shop owner wants to blame someone for the shops&#8217; demise, he shouldn&#8217;t blame Freddy. He should simply own up to the fact that he blew it.</p>
<p>Noe Gracia, the manager of the doughnut shop knows Freddie well. I hope Freddie will work to keep Noe employed at the doughnut shop. </p>
<p>They should make it unique to Wallingford. Screw Voodoo Doughnuts.</p>
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		<title>By: phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually I DO need more donuts.  I live across the street and the smell of donuts frying in grease is GREAT. Please keep the donuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually I DO need more donuts.  I live across the street and the smell of donuts frying in grease is GREAT. Please keep the donuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I from Arizona and would love to see a la Panaderia with Pan Dulce (Conchas) and Tres Leches and Flan in the neighborhood!</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jp: Wow--I must have missed the shave ice on the menu in the window of Hawaiian Breeze. My mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jp: Wow&#8211;I must have missed the shave ice on the menu in the window of Hawaiian Breeze. My mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.wallyhood.org/2009/10/rancho-bravo-plot-thickens/comment-page-1/#comment-6113</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely keep the donuts! Then you have morning, afternoon and evening business. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely keep the donuts! Then you have morning, afternoon and evening business. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://www.wallyhood.org/2009/10/rancho-bravo-plot-thickens/comment-page-1/#comment-6101</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would love is a Mexican-style bakery like they have in Southern California, really different-style, colorful, inexpensive pastries, birthday cakes, etc.  !Delicioso!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would love is a Mexican-style bakery like they have in Southern California, really different-style, colorful, inexpensive pastries, birthday cakes, etc.  !Delicioso!</p>
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		<title>By: Janey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We totally need a Vietnamese restaurant!  With all our Asian restaurants, it&#039;s just wrong to have to go to Aurora, Lake City, the U District or downtown to get pho, banh mi, etc.  It would be a great complement to Rancho Bravo, not competition.  We do NOT need more doughnuts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We totally need a Vietnamese restaurant!  With all our Asian restaurants, it&#8217;s just wrong to have to go to Aurora, Lake City, the U District or downtown to get pho, banh mi, etc.  It would be a great complement to Rancho Bravo, not competition.  We do NOT need more doughnuts!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please Rancho Bravo, move into the donut house! And get a liquor license so I can have tacos and a beer inside out of the rain.</description>
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